DumboNYC - Latest Comments in Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

mike d — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 21:00:37 -0000

Please don't confuse me with Mike. He's a bum.
There's free parking in every neighborhood in Manhattan, possibly North America's most definitive "urban" area. They happen to be residential neighborhoods, with alternate side parking rules to clean them, but free. And there's a lot of 'em.
Problem here is, as I see it, is Front St. part of a residental or commercial neighborhood? Since I live on Front St. I like to think of it as residential, but I'm a newbie yuppy louse who moved here to ruin this obviously open minded neighborhood with my double wide stroller.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

T bone — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:19:08 -0000

I couldn't agree more! I am so sick of this whole thing. I am sorry I ever posted to begin with. I would have stopped posting on this parking issue a lONG time ago, if Adam had not continued to post remarks instead of just accepting that I have a differing opinion on the matter. Sorry if I feel the need to defend myself.

My one vote does not put anyone in office, by the way! I can not control how the entire government operates and spends my tax money, as much as I would like to.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

adam — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:08:43 -0000

Hi JJJJJJ! I agree with you!

shhhhh.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

JJJJJJ — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:57:55 -0000

OK! You disagree. Now both of you just shut the hell up!

And, actually, yes, it IS the people's fault if our government isn't spending our tax dollars the way we'd like. They don't elect themselves (George Bush's win in 2000 notwithstanding).

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

T bone — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 12:41:08 -0000

Adam- I don't know what makes you think I am trying to turn the city into the suburbs. Whatever that means. Just because I don't think I should have to pay to park on ALL city streets? I think you are taking this way too far. I am sorry you have such a problem with someone disagreeing with you.

My opinion is simply that I pay A LOT of money in taxes (In fact, I pay a NYC tax that people in the suburbs don't) and I feel my taxes should cover parking on some public streets, as long as I adhere to the rules and regulations (including having meters on some main streets, which as I have stated before, I agree with). I don't know how that is based in some "suburban reality". Most of the city is actually set up that way! You think I should pay more for parking on all city streets, and that is your opinion, which as I have stated before, I am totally fine with. I just disagree.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Robin — Wed, 14 Nov 2007 10:46:18 -0000

DUMBO needs more Adams.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

adam — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 23:23:09 -0000

@T-bone:
I believe that parking should cost $10,000 a month. So what? As far as I can tell, your opinions on this matter are totally based on some suburban reality you once knew. Let it go. Stop trying to turn the city into the suburbs.

@Harold
I'm not declaring a rule when I say that cars are anti-urban. Use common sense and figure out for yourself the practical uses for private vehicle in this city. I understand that cars are a necessity for some but it's a luxury for most and so I'm not going to feel empathy when parking regulations are implemented.

"Do you want to eliminate cars or do you want to reserve space for all those commuters"

I don't understand this question... will you explain?

"How much should we charge for those free spaces on Front St?"

Let the market decide and direct all proceeds to DOT projects, obviously. Or open tab for cyclists... either is okay with me.

@Jonboy:
hugs and kisses!

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Jonboy — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:43:08 -0000

Adam is a tree-hugging, cycling, vegan tosser.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Prof. Harold Hill — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 19:09:48 -0000

You know you have two arguments here. You are saying that cars are antiurban and we should charge for space on the street. I would argue that guns are also aniturban but if we tax or charge a high price for the bullets you too can own a gun. I presume you agree that both cars and guns have the potential to kill us. Do you want to eliminate cars or do you want to reserve space for all those commuters. How much should we charge for those free spaces on Front St? What should we do with all that money? Free day care center for crack (or Cracky’s) babies? How about a senior center for old yuppies. Better yet, let’s just set up an open tab at ReBar for all us bike riding fools.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Prof. Harold Hill — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 18:44:10 -0000

It is so easy to argue hypothetically about cars being anti urban. Adam, you should define in a practical way, so we may adhere or not adhere, to your rule. Do you include all of NYC or just the area you are riding your bike through at any given time. Cars are a necessary nuisance for many of us. For you to argue with that is just being naive. I can argue that air conditioning is anti urban. To somebody without AC listening to my AC all night it probably is very “anti urban”. There are many things that annoy us about living in an urban environment, but they are annoyances and not anti urban. Most of us are here because we enjoy (and hate) the anarchy.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

T bone — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:46:03 -0000

what I meant to say is my tax dollars (and yours) should entitle both of us to use public streets.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

T bone — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:44:26 -0000

My points ARE valid, Adam. They are my opinion. I believe that I should be able to park on public streets. I believe some streets should have meters and some not. That's the way it works in many places, so you may disagree with me, but my point is not invalid. I believe that my tax dollars (and yours) should entitle me to use public streets. It is not my fault that our government wastes our tax dollars and does not put them to good use much of the time.

I agree that my one point was silly. That was kind of the point of it. So many suggestions posted on this blog are downright silly- like saying that driving is anti-urban. Or for example, it is also silly to complain that my circling the block looking for a space is a huge source of pollution.

Like I said, I am sorry I disagree with you, but I don't think that makes my points invalid, nor does it make yours invalid. Unlike you, I don't think the simple fact that you disagree makes your opinion invalid.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

to KD — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 17:23:01 -0000

the way adam knows which lines to dissect and prove the original poster wrong is brilliant. but don't take my word for it, i might get quoted and he'll prove me wrong.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

KD — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 16:20:51 -0000

Adam is so smaaaart. We been schooled!

: ) I'm just playing.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

adam — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 15:51:25 -0000

I bitch (and act to limit) needless car use all the time.

"If you have such a problem with pollution from cars, perhaps you shouldn’t live in a city."

How is that a worthwhile suggestion? How about... If you have such a problem with paying for a parking spot, perhaps you shouldn't live in a city. See? Comments like that are pretty silly.

"I pay taxes."

Awesome. Me too. But you suggested that this fact should entitle you to free parking and use of city streets and I was intimating that tax dollars don't even come close to covering the true cost of private auto use. Their state of disrepair is one clue among many that your taxes do not cover that cost.

Kudos for limiting your driving to the weekends though.

It's obvious you disagree. I just don't think your points are really valid or cognizant of the whole picture.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

T bone — Tue, 13 Nov 2007 12:00:34 -0000

Adam- I pay taxes. Not my fault the streets are in disrepair.

My point is, I don't mind looking for a spot as long as I don't have to pay for it. Otherwise, I would pay for a garage. If you have such a problem with pollution from cars, perhaps you shouldn't live in a city. Besides, the pollution from my car, which I only use on weekends, if that, is nothing compared to the people who commute by car every day. Perhaps you should be bitching to them, not me.

Sorry, but I just disagree with you on this one.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

adam — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 10:56:08 -0000

in the order posed:
no
no (I ride a bike)
no (not applicable)
yes (strollers means walking which is clearly an urban activity)

I hate oversize strollers too but is it the stroller that puts your life in danger or the speeding vehicle?

"For the most part the “market” takes care of the parking problem."

How so? Are you saying that a bureaucracy-controlled commodity like on-street parking is exposed to market forces? That doesn't make sense. If the "market" took care of the parking problem (which obviously hasn't happened or we wouldn't be talking here) there would be no free parking in NYC.

By the way, your guesses at my occupation are laughable.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

prof h. hill — Mon, 12 Nov 2007 09:44:52 -0000

is it fair that my father who lives in upstate NY helps subsidize the mta with his taxes? Are you, adam going to a meaningful job on the train? Can you justify taking money from the rural poor in order for you to go to your job at Kinkos's or maybe worst a currency trader on wall street? For the most part the "market" takes care of the parking problem. If cars are anti-urban are baby strollers pro-urban? Having to walk in the street because a pair of twins are barreling down Front St. in their side by side puts my life at risk more than a little car exhaust.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

adam — Fri, 09 Nov 2007 14:31:26 -0000

@T-bone:
"We already pay for the streets... "

That's not even close to true. If it were, I'd say you're (you as in all drivers) doing a poor job -- see all the streets in disrepair.

"I should add- the real price you pay for parking on the street in the city is having to drive around looking for a space... "

No, that's the real cost you inflict on your neighbors who have to breathe the pollution your car creates as you circle the block. Get out of your car and look at it from another perspective. If the city charged for parking space closer to its value there would be fewer drivers and less searching for spots.

@Robin:
Thanks.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

thats Mr. Cracky to you — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 18:06:02 -0000

as a rule I find that most yuppies are less educated than the average white artist that they have replaced. They go to the opening for the cheap white wine but seldom go after that. Most of the newbies would rather blow me behind Peas and Pickles.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Thu, 08 Nov 2007 17:00:11 -0000

Alexandra, don't be silly. We yuppies wouldn't knock down an art gallery for more parking. That would devalue our condos!

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Prof. Harold Hill — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 16:06:27 -0000

truth is. we didn.t have any bums here either. come to think of it no smallpox or influenza. the french bulldogs, so many.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Dirk — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:55:28 -0000

Alexandra, that's a great idea!

I propose we start with Jan Larsen's Gallery.

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

Alexandra — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:45:23 -0000

All you yuppies complaining about parking.. There were plenty of parking spaces before you arrived! Why not knock down a few art galleries to build a car park? I'm sure that would be a very popular measure among the newbies

Re: Front Street Parking Regulations Update

T bone — Thu, 08 Nov 2007 15:35:42 -0000

Of course they should be regulated! Tickets and towing fees of course. And certainly meters on some main streets where parking needs to be regulated by the hour. They have that in the suburbs too!

Meters on SOME spots are one thing. For example, in much of Manhattan the avenues have meters, and the streets don't. I am, personally, not saying there should not be meters on, say, parts of Front Street. I just don't agree with making people pay to park on all public streets, regardless of where you live. More congestion leads to more people willing to pay for a parking garage. It also leads to those who don't want to pay for a garage spending more and more time looking for a space. To me that is the cost incurred.

By the way, in a year and a half of parking on the street in Dumbo, we've gotten only two tickets and never been towed, so our experience has been quite different than others. (knock on wood)